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welcome to the skeptic zone

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the podcast from australia for science

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and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 668

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for the 25th of july 2020

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richard saunders coming to you from lock

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for most of us it's stock down sydney

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for a small minority of people

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it's let's go out and congregate and

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protest and march and yell

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and shout and mingle without masks

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lock down sydney and that is our lead

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story on this week's show yesterday here

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in sydney

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what i have been described as 3500

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buff heads which means idiots

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protested in sydney streets against the

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lockdown

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now as i will cover in my report seems

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to be a combination of people

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who are in uh intertwined with

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conspiracy theorists

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and i saw signs saying uh 5g

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lots of anti-vaccination signs and

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it's a very very very troubling

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situation today as i record the numbers

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here in new south wales in sydney area

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have just come out and it's 141.

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since i spoke to you last week those

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numbers have gone up

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so yes not not the greatest of stories

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to start off this week's show but

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important nevertheless

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here for the rest of us is

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we can see the real damage being done in

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society by

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conspiracy theories and uh not thinking

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critically

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but following that it's a very different

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story

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we look into past lives or really we're

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looking into hypnosis and some of the

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crackpot ideas involving hypnosis

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so going back into so-called past lives

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and soul regression and all this sort of

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wackiness join me as i walk

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around the neighborhood and find a past

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life tours

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store and then we chat to

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my old mate ben radford from albuquerque

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new mexico and the squaring the strange

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he does with the celestia and pasquale

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and ben will give his insights onto the

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whole past lives

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hypnosis realm

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and what a pleasure it was to catch up

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with ben radford and

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ben as we keep promising each other one

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day we'll do that big tour

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around australia or the united states in

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visiting mystery spots and uh doing

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ah that would be a lot of fun ben then

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to round off the show it's back to the

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trove archives

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where this week we look for references

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to psychics

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not recent references but references

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the history of publications in australia

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reports and so

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on well i for one this little black duck

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leaving the house as little as possible

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they're doing other things too they're

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they're they're treadmilling walk on a

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some live broadcast and uh spend a lot

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of time on the treadmill to get your

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and all those people who have decided to

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make the most of lockdown getting

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and it's definitely a spaghetti on toast

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sort of day while i do that i hope you

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horrific scenes australia will never

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that's the headline in one of the online

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the violent scenes that erupted along

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sydney streets as

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thousands of protesters marched against

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so yesterday saturday the 24th of

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july as part of some sort of worldwide

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thousands of people

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chanting freedom freedom freedom yelling

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yelling at police you serve us it's that

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old we pay your salary so you better do

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argument and yesterday was a record high

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the rest of us the vast majority of the

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citizens of this city are doing the

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right thing staying at home being

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careful wearing masks

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i watched this in utter and complete

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disbelief i knew there was a rally

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people might show up and

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be dispersed but i never imagined so

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many people would turn up

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and it stirred to an extent stirred by

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crowd the people who believe covert is a

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protests and yelling and things like

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as if they think they're william wallace

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justice and all the rest of it and all

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thinking to myself this must surely turn

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buffoons want i can imagine it will

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mean the lockdown is extended and i

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uh variation of covert 19 and as one

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by dying now we've come across and

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against and looked at and campaigned on

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movement over the years but i'm

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battle we have is against

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conspiracy theorists because a lot of

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big government big pharma microchips in

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the vaccine is uh deadly the

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you know what i mean you've heard it all

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sometimes i have to admit that and

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yesterday was one of those days when i

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infected with the stupidity virus the

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these people just needed an opportunity

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to vent something or other

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injuries it's a stark reminder of how

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how thin the layer of civilization can

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police have set up a strike force to

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people involved i don't think that's

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physically possible but i certainly hope

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line of uh prosecutions and heavy fines

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situation in uh the united states on the

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protest vaccine covered or i will link

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but to the rest of us wear that mask get

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and stay safe

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hello this is maynard did you know that

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you can listen to the skeptic zone on

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yes i know sounds crazy but it's true

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and funny sketches with richard saunders

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today is thursday the 22nd of july

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and i'm out for my government sanctioned

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today's corona virus figures for sydney

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well i guess for new south wales

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are not good numbers keep going up

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124 today with many infectious in the

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so i'm walking with a face mask on

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anyway when i was on my

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approved exercise walk a few days ago

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i came across a shop front

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not far away from where i live that's

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which really caught my eye now you may

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remember a few months ago i did a

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segment on the skeptic zone where i

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king street newtown and stopped and

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interesting alternative and frankly woo

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and businesses well this one really

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where i'm walking to now

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is a shop front

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that offers past life tours

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let's see what it says

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just an observation as i walk along i'm

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a coffee shop that's on the way and of

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um things like being in that coffee shop

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in the cafe to sit down and have coffee

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or meals is that

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it's all stopped now but you can still

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and it's amazing to see that the people

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waiting outside and it's about eight

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nine of them are

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all socially distanced and they're all

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wearing masks

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and in fact people i uh see in the

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street just walking by doing their

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exercise

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and this is seems to me this year it's

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been taking a lot more seriously i think

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the delta

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taken a lot more seriously by the

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average member of the public

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and you can hear cars of course i mean

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there's traffic but

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it's staggering how little there is

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compared to normal

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i live by a very busy street

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it's a sort of a an artery going into

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the city

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from the southwest but today i crossed

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the street and

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it's uh it's like living in some sort of

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alternative

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[Music]

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well here i am at the corner of holden

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and

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off the streets in the suburb of

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ashfield not too far from where i live

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and the business is shut where most

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businesses are at the moment i guess

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break free hypnotherapy it says on the

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big sign out the front

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buy appointment or call and it says

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natasha hilayas

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dip c hip hypnotherapy i guess

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clinical hypnotherapist certified soul

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transform behavior to empower your life

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specializing in past life regression

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life between lives yeah inner child

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therapy

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soul development and then there's a big

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stop sign

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like you see on the street and under it

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it's written stop

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smoking alcohol gambling addictions

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anger fear phobia stress anxiety

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depression weight issues

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risk of disease that's a health claim

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premature death then it says increase

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motivation confidence self-esteem

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healing happiness

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focus better sleep and on the window

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here

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break free hypnotherapy it was the mind

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that put it there it is the mind that

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will break it free

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and it also says in the next window past

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life tours discover the links between

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the past and the present

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don't let the past hold you back with

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the website past

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life tours dot com dot a u

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well i think that website might be worth

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the visit

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and apart from anything else

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i think it just reminds me

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how in my opinion generally

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overrated hypnotherapy is

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i don't know reams about it to be honest

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but from what i gather over the years

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it's it's a good stage

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routine it does have

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certain benefits in clinical situation

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it can help people in certain situations

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i think it's vastly overrated however

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and you hear about

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it being used to take victims back to

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the scene of the crime to get more

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information well i think that's more or

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less been

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i don't want to use the word debunked

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but

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that's been discouraged it's found not

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to be accurate or reliable

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especially if you're going back to past

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lives i think

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anyway i will continue my daily

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exercise walk being cautious to avoid

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contact with people

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do a big loop and head back and see

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[Music]

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now i'm back in the studio once again

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and i've

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dialed up so the speak the page of past

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life tours

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dot com dot eu past life do as it says

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pass live tours with natasha

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dip c hip hyp

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let's look that up and as expected it

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stands for diploma

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of clinical hypnotherapy and a quick

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search for that comes up with clover

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institute

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which is here in australia

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hypnotherapy in campbelltown empowered

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alchemy hmm get certified in

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hypnotherapy

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diploma of mind body medicine

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study mind body medicine diploma of

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clinical hypnotherapy training dot gov

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dot a u

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that's interesting but getting back to

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the page it's very colorful

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it has two uh profiles of people

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with their skulls sort of visible in

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x-ray and you can see their brains

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and the laser light seems to be um

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shooting out from one person into the

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other person through their eyes it's a

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bit strange

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and the website says past life and

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afterlife

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past life regression is an opportunity

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to dive deep into your subconscious mind

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accessing long forgotten or suspended

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memories

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with the intent of understanding present

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life issues

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soul regression therapy is unlike your

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usual therapy session

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it's a more unique way and those

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pennants

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are around like me more unique

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it's a more unique way to discover and

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break toxic

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patterns that hold you back in your

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current life

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from living to your fullest potential

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and isn't it interesting how the use of

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the word toxic has become

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almost toxic these days it's used

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frequently for all sorts of things

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this is toxic that's toxic get rid of

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the toxins out of your blood

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detoxify yourself this is a toxic

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situation

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etc goes on these insights can allow

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you to continue your current life with a

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deeper understanding of your soul's

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purpose and again i'll pick it up the

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word souls

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does not have an apostrophe your soul's

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purpose and strengths and can expand

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your consciousness

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as a certified soul regression therapy

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practitioner

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certified where i wonder it is my honor

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to take you

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on a powerful therapeutic journey in a

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safe and comfortable space i will

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ease you into a calm deep meditative

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state

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where you will be able to think in a

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clearer headspace

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so that you can take a journey into the

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memories of your past

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lives stored in your subconscious mind

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and it goes on it's quite extensive

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what it says about this but all all

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really saying more or less the same sort

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of new age waffle and woo

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and double talk and meaningless

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babble but the whole um idea of using

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hypnosis to uncover lost

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memories i think i said earlier has been

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largely

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discredited another tab on the page says

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about hypnotherapy hypnotherapy is truly

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amazing it covers many issues emotional

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and physical

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the main two categories are clinical and

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spiritual and when we read about the

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practitioner herself

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natasha there's a bit there about her

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gaining a diploma of clinical

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hypnotherapy

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and i have specialized it says

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in past life regression and life between

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lives

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and i am a very proud certified

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soul regression therapy practitioner

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[Music]

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and oh there's some credentials here

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certified soul regression therapy

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practitioner full stop

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which means what obtained where by whom

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wasn't

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a male in university was it a

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prestigious non-accredited university

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was it someone down the road

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also says trained by laura and john

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jackson the academy of

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transpersonal hypnotherapy trained by

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psychiatrist dr brian weiss

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the weiss institute diploma of clinical

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hypnotherapy

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the australian academy of hypnosis and

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if we look for

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the academy of transpersonal

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hypnotherapy dot com dot eu

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we get internal server error

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it may not exist anymore although a

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search for transpersonal

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hypnotherapy.com

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brings us to an american website

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hypnotherapy certification courses

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and that goes on and talks about neuro

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linguistic

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programming past life regression the

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spiritual principles

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shamanism and intuition i think you get

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the idea i wonder if it's a problem

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generally in the hypnotherapy

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industry industry is that the right word

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practice that it's often

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mixed up with intertwined with

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past lives and woo and um nonsense

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but it's always worth going over to see

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what it

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s-k-e-p-d-i-c-dot-com the skeptic's

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dictionary hypnosis is a process

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involving hypnotists in a subject who

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agrees to be hypnotized

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being hypnotized is usually

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characterized by a concentration b

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relaxation c suggestion and d

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expectation

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the versatility of hypnosis is

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unparalleled hypnosis occurs under

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dramatically different social settings

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the

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station

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and there's an extensive item here on

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hypnosis and we get down to the part

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that says

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past life therapists

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these folk use hypnosis to do past life

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regression

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the use of hypnosis seems a perfect fit

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for the notion that hypnosis is

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learned behavior issuing out of a

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socio-cognitive

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context a view put forth by psychologist

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nicholas spanis like robert baker

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spanos argued that quote hypnotic

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procedures influence behavior indirectly

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by alerting subjects motivations

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expectations and

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interpretations end quote despite the

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performance put on by the subject

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in past life regression sessions their

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behavior has nothing to do

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with being in a trance opening up the

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subconscious mind

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or accessing past lives the subject acts

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in accordance with the expectations of

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the hypnotic situation

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and behaves as she thinks she is

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supposed to behave

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in response to the suggestions of the

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hypnotist a compliant subject can have

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reveries about future lives

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if the therapist leads her that way

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depending on the desires and

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expectations

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of the therapist patient dyad

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people can imagine that they are in the

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roman coliseum about 2000 years ago or

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on another planet

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a thousand years into the future and i

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will certainly link to that article

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in this week's show notes it's quite uh

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quite extensive but for some

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more insight into this whole realm of

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hypnosis and hypnosis being used in

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uh past lives or maybe to

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find out information hidden in the

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subconscious when it comes to crimes and

576
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demonic possession and things like that

577
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:45,440
who better who better to turn to than my

578
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,400
old friend from

579
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squaring the strange that wonderful

580
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podcast

581
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[Music]

582
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:06,640
and joining me now on the line on the

583
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video call all the way from albuquerque

584
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:10,080
new mexico

585
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:12,000
i wish i could visit albuquerque new

586
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:13,520
mexico once again

587
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:16,080
it's ben radford hello there great to

588
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:17,600
talk to you richard

589
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:19,679
i'm doing well ben i'm doing well i'm

590
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:21,039
hunkered down i'm locked

591
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:23,520
down i'm not leaving the house if i can

592
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:24,080
possibly

593
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:26,159
avoid it because you may have seen in

594
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:28,000
your news broadcast that sydney

595
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:29,679
australia is not faring very

596
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:31,679
very well at the moment we've had a

597
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:33,760
resurgence of covert and the delta

598
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:34,960
variation is not

599
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:37,760
playing by any rules i'm sorry to hear

600
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:38,000
that

601
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:40,159
yeah it's uh things are getting dire

602
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:41,200
around here as well

603
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:42,880
primarily of course uh among the

604
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:44,880
unvaccinated but uh that's to be

605
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:46,159
expected

606
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:48,320
how about that how about that i guess we

607
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:50,320
shouldn't be so surprised but yes i

608
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:53,679
and that is a whole other issue for

609
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:54,880
another time but let's

610
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:57,520
talk about it indeed it is let's talk

611
00:27:01,029 --> 00:26:58,559
about um

612
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,039
hypnotherapy this is something that

613
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:03,440
fascinated me the first time i really

614
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:06,480
became aware of hypnotherapy i was in

615
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:09,760
high school there was a tv special

616
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:11,600
i mean i'd known sort of about it in the

617
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:13,600
back of my mind in society but i saw a

618
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:15,360
tv special about it

619
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:16,960
for the first time i saw a stage

620
00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:19,200
hypnotist and making people cluck like

621
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:21,039
chickens and run around and do all sorts

622
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:22,640
of craziness

623
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,279
yes i've seen that i was transfixed i

624
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:27,360
couldn't believe it i thought this is a

625
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:30,159
a an amazing superpower the hypnotist

626
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:32,000
had and i had to find out more about it

627
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:34,000
and i guess over the years what i've

628
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:35,760
discovered and uh

629
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:38,240
maybe you can uh tell me what what your

630
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:39,279
take on

631
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:42,399
this is is it can be possibly a useful

632
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:44,559
tool in certain situations to help

633
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:45,520
people

634
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:47,440
but i have the feeling that it's highly

635
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:49,520
overrated

636
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:51,840
it is uh and actually this is this is

637
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:53,440
one of my favorite psychological

638
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:56,240
uh topics psychology topics um as you

639
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:56,720
know i have

640
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:59,039
a degree in psychology when i was in my

641
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:01,520
undergraduate courses

642
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:03,120
hypnosis was one of the things i kept

643
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:04,960
asking about they kept one show me about

644
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:06,240
different parts of the brain this and

645
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,559
that

646
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:08,720
yeah tell me about hypnosis how do i

647
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:10,480
make people clock like chickens on the

648
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:14,950
so then my professor sort of took me

649
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:16,000
aside and rolled his

650
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:17,760
eyes because he was used to my questions

651
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:19,600
and he cleared it up later on

652
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:22,799
so um but no i mean

653
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:24,240
very much like you i was always

654
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:26,399
fascinated by these depictions

655
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:29,760
in films and tv of hypnosis yeah um

656
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:32,080
you see this sort of svengali like

657
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:33,679
figures with the you know the

658
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:36,000
the dark deep menacing eyes and the old

659
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:37,679
hammer films that are you know

660
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:40,080
turning people into zombies and things

661
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:41,840
and i have to tell you that that along

662
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:42,159
with

663
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:45,279
probably um uh bigfoot

664
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:48,880
um they have not borne out so much

665
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:51,520
um but yeah so there's a couple

666
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:53,039
different things going on here

667
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:55,840
uh one of them is that um you know the

668
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,120
sort of hypnosis that

669
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,520
that the general public sees tend to be

670
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:01,440
very dramatic sensational cases

671
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,240
yeah so one example would of course be

672
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:06,240
the stage shows that you mentioned

673
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:09,360
oh yeah um and and and i've seen them

674
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:10,640
too and it's you know

675
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,480
it's pretty impressive right you're an

676
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:14,640
audience and uh you know you have

677
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:17,440
uh you know these uh these uh mentalist

678
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:18,559
uh

679
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:21,039
magicians bringing people up and telling

680
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:22,080
to pretend they're

681
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:23,840
in plane crashes or embarrassing

682
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:25,279
situations or you know

683
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:27,279
oftentimes of course the these routines

684
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:29,679
are uh are a bit r-rated

685
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:31,760
yes yeah well it's a show isn't it it's

686
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:32,960
a it's it's

687
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:34,480
ultimately i guess it's done for the

688
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:36,320
purposes of um

689
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:38,480
entertainment and how you take that

690
00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:40,399
entertainment it's up to you

691
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:43,120
yeah well you know so the the sort of

692
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:44,640
stage hypnosis that you see

693
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:47,440
is different than clinical hypnosis in

694
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:47,840
in

695
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:51,840
these these comedy acts

696
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:54,000
these stage acts you're not seeing tree

697
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:55,840
hypnosis you're seeing a combination of

698
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:56,960
showmanship

699
00:30:02,950 --> 00:30:00,320
and sort of participatory comedy um

700
00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:02,960
and so keep in mind that the audience

701
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:04,960
there is self-selected right they're

702
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:06,880
they're there because they want to be

703
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:08,559
entertained and many of them

704
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:10,799
are exhibitionists and some are probably

705
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:11,600
hoping they're going to

706
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:15,200
go up on stage and do wild things and so

707
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:18,240
because it's a self-selected process uh

708
00:30:21,909 --> 00:30:20,000
this helps the the the professional

709
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:21,919
hypnotist because

710
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:23,840
uh you know when when they say okay

711
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:25,440
everybody stand up and then they sort of

712
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:26,720
do these routines where they sort of

713
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:27,919
weed out people like

714
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:30,640
okay wave your arm and then they sort of

715
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:31,919
narrow down to

716
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:34,960
from say 50 people to 12 people to

717
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:38,320
maybe a dozen or so and with each uh

718
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:40,240
with each calling of course the people

719
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:41,360
that are left over

720
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:43,360
are people who number one want to be on

721
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:44,880
stage yeah otherwise they wouldn't have

722
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:45,760
raised their hands

723
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:48,159
and number two they're they're into it

724
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:49,679
they want to be part of this show yeah

725
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:51,360
and they've shown their willingness by

726
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:53,520
by doing the the stunts leading up to

727
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:54,880
yes i remember seeing a

728
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:56,320
i've seen a couple of live shows and

729
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:57,519
that's exactly right there are a lot of

730
00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:59,600
people to begin with and they sort of uh

731
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:01,679
weed them down a bit yeah absolutely and

732
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:03,760
it and it's fun and it's entertaining to

733
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:04,000
see

734
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:07,120
but it's not true hypnosis um and

735
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:09,440
one of the underlying sort of premises

736
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:11,200
uh sort of a dirty little secret if you

737
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:12,240
will

738
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:15,919
is that you can't uh you you can't force

739
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:17,200
people to do things they don't want to

740
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:18,399
do

741
00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:20,720
um you can you can suggest under

742
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:21,760
hypnosis

743
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,039
uh but the idea that you can uh you know

744
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:27,120
wave a a watch or something you're

745
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:28,159
staring into someone's eyes

746
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:30,159
waving the watch of course the classic

747
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:31,440
yeah yeah yeah

748
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:34,720
yes yes exactly exactly so

749
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:36,559
the idea that you can sort of just

750
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:38,320
suddenly do that and wave your arms and

751
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:38,640
then

752
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:42,399
they're suddenly under your control

753
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:44,240
uh again that's that's straight out of

754
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:48,320
sort of you know 1950s pulp

755
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:50,640
horror films but that's not how it works

756
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:52,080
in the real world

757
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:56,880
is that hypnosis per se

758
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:00,559
uh it's basically uh it's basically a

759
00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:02,880
a form of deep relaxation that the

760
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:05,519
person agrees to go into

761
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:07,440
so you know in other words you can't be

762
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:09,440
involuntarily hypnotized

763
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:11,840
uh you have to agree to do it you have

764
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:15,200
to be part of a a psychological dynamic

765
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:18,240
with the hypnotize with the hypnotist

766
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:21,279
um and so so there is some evidence that

767
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:22,000
for example

768
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:24,480
hypnosis can be helpful in addressing a

769
00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:26,159
couple things such as quitting smoking

770
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:27,200
and weight loss

771
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:29,039
so there is some evidence for that but

772
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:31,200
there's a caveat

773
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:34,559
as there often is and the caveat is

774
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:37,200
that um the evidence is weak because

775
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:39,039
people who seek out hypnosis for their

776
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:39,840
problems

777
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:43,919
are by definition highly motivated so

778
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:46,480
so the the so the you know the people

779
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:47,120
who aren't

780
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:49,039
really motivated to quit smoking or lose

781
00:32:51,909 --> 00:32:50,559
weight or do whatever else interesting

782
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:51,919
they're not going to spend the time in

783
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:53,600
the effort to go to hypnotist and so

784
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:55,919
again it's a it's a self-selecting group

785
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:57,600
who are more likely to

786
00:33:01,190 --> 00:33:00,159
to change their their behaviors with or

787
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:01,200
without the benefit of

788
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:03,360
hypnosis that's yeah that's interesting

789
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,880
of course you're you're absolutely right

790
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:06,559
it's like people who go

791
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:09,200
and i don't want to make this a strong

792
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:10,799
connection here folks don't get me wrong

793
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:12,000
but it's like people who go to

794
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:13,600
psychics they're motivated to go to a

795
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:15,360
psychic and they're already believers

796
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:16,159
before they step

797
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,880
foot in the door normally to see us

798
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:20,240
unless there's someone like me who's

799
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:22,080
doing an investigation

800
00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:25,279
now let's look at the aspect this whole

801
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:26,960
aspect and i think it's still pretty

802
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:29,120
large in the public imagination that uh

803
00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:31,120
hypnosis can be used to

804
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:34,640
uncover deep dark hidden memories or

805
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:37,279
forgotten memories as in

806
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:39,919
uh the police hypnotized the witness and

807
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:41,919
suddenly the witness could remember the

808
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:44,080
number plate or could remember the color

809
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:45,760
of the hat the criminal was wearing when

810
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:47,120
they ran down the street or something

811
00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:47,600
like that

812
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:50,080
and what's your what's your take on that

813
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:50,720
yeah so

814
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:52,159
again there's a couple things going on

815
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:55,279
here so um certainly the the people

816
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:57,760
i mean you people can be some people are

817
00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:59,760
more hypno hypnotizable than others in

818
00:34:01,590 --> 00:34:00,320
fact

819
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:01,600
there's evidence some people can't be

820
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:03,360
hypnotized at all no matter how much

821
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:04,000
they try

822
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:06,320
yeah they can't sort of achieve that

823
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:07,039
that sort of

824
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:10,000
the sort of subconscious clinical state

825
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:11,520
of deep relaxation

826
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:13,200
in which you're suggestible and sort of

827
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:14,639
acting out with that yeah

828
00:34:19,829 --> 00:34:17,760
so for a lot of psychologists um

829
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:19,839
the the idea hypnosis is basically sort

830
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:21,599
of what's often called

831
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:23,599
the royal road to the unconscious right

832
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:25,280
it's it's fantasy

833
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:28,079
it's um and you see this for example

834
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:28,639
with

835
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:31,919
hypnosis who like you said uh supposedly

836
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:35,119
resurfaced past lives yes or

837
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:37,599
or or resurface you know forgotten

838
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:39,359
memories of alien abduction

839
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:42,399
yes demonic canalians yes that's right

840
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:42,800
that's

841
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:45,200
that was a thing yes exactly and so what

842
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:46,639
you have in these cases

843
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:49,440
are people who in many cases they

844
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:50,960
themselves believe this right they they

845
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:52,560
believe that they were

846
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:55,119
they lived in in previous past lives so

847
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:56,560
these are believers going into it

848
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:59,200
they're not they're not skeptical

849
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:01,119
so they're potentially going to

850
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:03,440
hypnotists and hypnotherapists

851
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:05,440
with the assumption and belief that that

852
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:07,119
person will in fact

853
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:10,000
reveal deep-seated forgotten past lives

854
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,599
or details and things like that

855
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:13,440
and exactly because of that oftentimes

856
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:14,800
they will give it to them

857
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:18,880
so uh it's you know so you'll see a a

858
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:20,640
session for example where hypnotist will

859
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:21,680
say well

860
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:23,280
uh you know i want to take you back to

861
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:24,880
your previous lives

862
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:26,720
uh you know sort of just you know focus

863
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,960
and think and then just tell me when you

864
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:30,480
have a vision of you know

865
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:32,240
you in a previous life and the person

866
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:33,599
may say well i'm not getting anything

867
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:34,480
say well

868
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:36,800
focus harder just think of an object you

869
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:38,560
know give me give me something

870
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:41,280
and then you know sooner or later the

871
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:42,240
people say yeah i

872
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:44,800
you know i'm i'm in a village somewhere

873
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:45,839
and there's a church

874
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:48,960
and i'm looking around and there's

875
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:51,200
there's no cars so this must be like

876
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:53,359
in the mid ages or something yeah and

877
00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:54,880
they they start sort of telling these

878
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:55,760
whole stories

879
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:58,000
without any recourse to actual facts

880
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:59,119
well i mean

881
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:01,200
it's it's a trip of the imagination we

882
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:02,320
can all imagine

883
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:04,079
being in another place in another time

884
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:06,400
and describing what we see as we we go

885
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:07,920
around i mean children do that

886
00:36:11,829 --> 00:36:10,240
absolutely and again it's very common in

887
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:11,839
alien abductions and past life

888
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:13,599
regressions uh there's the famous case

889
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:14,960
of brighty murphy

890
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:17,760
uh the woman who claimed that she was uh

891
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:19,440
had lived a previous life

892
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:21,440
and under hypnosis and this is one of

893
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:22,880
the common themes here is

894
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:25,760
under hypnosis these alleged memories in

895
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:26,160
fact

896
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:28,720
confabulations and stories emerge and

897
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:29,280
they and

898
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:31,119
they're they can be very detailed so

899
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:32,640
it's very compelling

900
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:34,560
to both the hypnotist and the general

901
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:36,320
public they're like oh my god

902
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:37,440
they're they're suddenly giving all

903
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:39,359
these details and you know this and that

904
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:40,800
you know that they had a mother named

905
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:41,359
mary

906
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:44,079
and they had a those this and that and

907
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:44,720
it's all

908
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:47,040
interesting and compelling but without

909
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:49,839
any recourse to historical facts

910
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:52,000
it's just stories that's right and i

911
00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:53,680
think there's been situations in the

912
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:54,079
past

913
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:56,880
was it the 70s or the 80s if my memory

914
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:58,160
serves

915
00:37:02,069 --> 00:37:00,480
or maybe even the 90s where people were

916
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:02,079
even

917
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:05,520
convicted based upon evidence provided

918
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:06,800
by people who

919
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:09,200
somehow he remembered i shouldn't say

920
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:10,400
imagine but you know

921
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:13,280
they quote in quotes remembered crimes

922
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:14,400
against them of a

923
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:17,280
sexual nature or a demonic demonic

924
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:18,640
wasn't it it was a

925
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:22,000
people who were convicted of being satan

926
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:24,800
worshipers or something yeah absolutely

927
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:26,079
you know you're exactly right

928
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:27,920
that happened again this this subject

929
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:29,440
hypnosis actually runs

930
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:31,280
through many many skeptical topics that

931
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:32,720
there's a whole

932
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:34,880
it's an undercurrent in many different

933
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:36,079
angles and one of them

934
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:39,359
as you mentioned was uh was a false

935
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:40,960
memory syndrome and people

936
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:44,160
um people remembering uh events that

937
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:45,839
literally did not happen and could not

938
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:46,480
have happened

939
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:48,400
and that happened with the satanic panic

940
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:51,119
in the 1980s and 90s here in the states

941
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:53,920
and part of this was put forth by a

942
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:55,119
couple authors

943
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:56,560
one of them i think wrote a book titled

944
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:58,400
michelle remembers

945
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:00,960
uh and there was a whole series a whole

946
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:03,520
slate of books that were claiming that

947
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:05,839
uh that if you if you're not feeling

948
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:07,119
well you're having psychological

949
00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:08,240
problems or you're depressed or

950
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:09,280
something

951
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:12,480
it's because of some forgotten trauma

952
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:15,280
that you may have had and uh that's that

953
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:15,760
was

954
00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:17,680
and this they would encourage people to

955
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:20,240
dig deep into it and to go to hypnosis

956
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:23,599
and in in many if not most cases

957
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:25,839
the trauma was imagined that it lit

958
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:27,200
there was no

959
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:32,640
now ben i i know that you suffer from

960
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:33,920
the same problem i do

961
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:35,280
and that is when we're trying to do a

962
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:38,160
podcast cats sort of walk into the room

963
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:40,640
i just saw behind you a lovely ginger

964
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:42,079
[\h__\h] cat come in

965
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:44,560
uh maybe you can hypnotize the cat i was

966
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:46,400
i was trying to ignore him i heard a

967
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:46,880
little

968
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:48,880
and then i saw you smirk i said oh

969
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:50,079
richard sees the cat

970
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:52,880
so get out of here i'm doing something

971
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:54,480
what's that what's that cat's name

972
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:57,359
uh he's actually i call him clip he's

973
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:58,960
actually not my cat

974
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:01,119
he is a he's a stray cat in the

975
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:03,440
neighborhood who i feed and pet and let

976
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:03,920
in

977
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:07,119
differently well

978
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,390
it's good to see anyway well ben look

979
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:14,400
thank you so much it was great to touch

980
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:15,280
base on you with this

981
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:17,040
on this topic it's one that's fascinated

982
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:19,200
me for years and as my listeners know it

983
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:19,599
was

984
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:25,280
shop front not far from where i live

985
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:26,320
which was all about

986
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:29,520
past life tours using hypnosis would

987
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:31,359
now ben radford what do you think you

988
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:32,640
would have been in a past life i

989
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:33,839
imagined myself

990
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:36,400
at least as caesar augustus or someone

991
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:36,880
like that

992
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:40,400
at least come on i have no such lofty

993
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:41,359
aspirations

994
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:44,000
uh i would like to think that i'd be one

995
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:45,839
of those people that would have defended

996
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:48,320
accused witches um in the middle ages

997
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:48,880
that's it

998
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:52,480
now there you are

999
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:55,200
you've got your um your knife in your

1000
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:55,599
hand

1001
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:58,960
ready to cut them free yes i'm sure

1002
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:01,680
i'm sure more likely i probably would

1003
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:02,240
have been

1004
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:05,359
a a carpenter or you know somebody who

1005
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:05,680
uh

1006
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:08,160
who heard sheep or something all right i

1007
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:09,599
like i like to dream

1008
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:11,440
you can do that i'll be caesar augustus

1009
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:13,280
and i think we can be very happy

1010
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:15,839
and before we before we go ben i mean i

1011
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:16,560
enjoy as

1012
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:19,200
i always do squaring the strange the the

1013
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:21,040
wonderful podcast you do with pasquale

1014
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:21,280
and

1015
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:23,680
uh our dear friend celestia how's that

1016
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:26,079
all happening how's that all going

1017
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:28,079
it's going well thank you for asking uh

1018
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:29,680
we're we're tuttling along

1019
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:32,319
uh i think we're up to episode 155 or

1020
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:33,200
something right

1021
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:35,680
uh and we have a bit of news it looks

1022
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:36,640
like we will be

1023
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:40,640
uh probably our fingers crossed for luck

1024
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:43,359
yes uh attending dragon con this year oh

1025
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:44,480
i'm so jealous

1026
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:46,160
i hope you make it and i hope it's all

1027
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:47,839
safe for you i

1028
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:50,079
i love dragon con i couldn't go last

1029
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:52,000
year for obvious reasons i can't go

1030
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:54,079
this year for obvious reasons we're not

1031
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:55,920
allowed i'm not allowed to leave sydney

1032
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:57,440
let alone the country let alone the

1033
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:58,960
state let alone anything i'm probably

1034
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:00,000
not even allowed to

1035
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:02,560
leave my studio at the moment i think so

1036
00:41:05,829 --> 00:41:04,000
uh i hope you do

1037
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:05,839
i sincerely hope you do and i sincerely

1038
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:07,599
hope it's a great time and if you do i'm

1039
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:08,880
sure i'll be

1040
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:11,520
um tapping you on the shoulder virtually

1041
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:14,079
for a report or two or some comment

1042
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:16,800
i'd love to that would be fantastic and

1043
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:17,200
and

1044
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:20,720
i'm oh it pains me to think that

1045
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:23,359
in any other year uh i could have been

1046
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:24,319
there

1047
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:27,200
with you guys to run around dragon con

1048
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:28,640
the skeptic zone and squaring the

1049
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:30,079
strange that would have been that would

1050
00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:31,119
have been a

1051
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:34,160
we've had many many

1052
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:36,160
adventures over the years my friend and

1053
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:38,079
we'll have many more we will

1054
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:39,680
ben radford all the way from beautiful

1055
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:41,359
albuquerque new mexico

1056
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:57,190
hi i'm ben radford co-host of squaring

1057
00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:58,800
strange podcast

1058
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:01,359
in these trying times as we help each

1059
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:02,880
other out to hold on to hope

1060
00:42:07,349 --> 00:42:04,800
we want you to know that we're here for

1061
00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:07,359
you hey hey what are you going on about

1062
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:08,800
who's interrupting my heartfelt

1063
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:11,839
promotional copy it's me celestia ward

1064
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:15,839
your co-host really in these trying

1065
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:16,480
times

1066
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:18,960
that's the best you can do well i'm just

1067
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:20,400
doing what everyone else is doing

1068
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:24,319
i thought that's not what we do

1069
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:26,400
oh for crying out loud who else is here

1070
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:28,000
pasqual romero your

1071
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:31,280
other co-host hey we don't

1072
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:33,440
do what everybody else does ben that's

1073
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:34,800
kind of our thing at squaring the

1074
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:35,760
strange

1075
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:37,599
yeah we try to approach things a little

1076
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:39,119
differently than your standard

1077
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:42,319
skeptical talky talk show we do our own

1078
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:44,560
thing bringing science critical thinking

1079
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:46,079
and skepticism to bear

1080
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:48,240
on issues of the day we've got a

1081
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:49,760
professional skeptical author

1082
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:52,160
ben who has decades of experience

1083
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:53,520
researching topics

1084
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:55,520
for a dozen books and thousands of

1085
00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:58,000
articles and a cartoonist skeptic

1086
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:59,599
celestia who knows her stuff when it

1087
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:01,200
comes to facial weirdness and the

1088
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:02,880
psychology of perception

1089
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:05,359
and a badass heavy metal rock star and

1090
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:06,800
tech engineer pasquale

1091
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:08,960
who brings knowledge of all things audio

1092
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:10,880
plus a bunch of neck tattoos

1093
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:13,040
scoring the strange explores topics both

1094
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:14,880
mysterious and mundane through a

1095
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:16,160
critical lens

1096
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:19,599
monsters panics media literacy

1097
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:22,000
okay forget the whole trying times promo

1098
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:22,640
idea

1099
00:43:30,530 --> 00:43:24,960
but we have chupacabras and clown panics

1100
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:38,829
[Music]

1101
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:46,710
now let's look once more into those

1102
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:48,560
pages at trove

1103
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:52,160
at trove.nla.gov dot a u the online

1104
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:53,599
resource from the australian government

1105
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:56,640
to the national library of australia

1106
00:44:00,630 --> 00:44:00,000
in canberra to digitize and make

1107
00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:00,640
available

1108
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:02,560
thousands upon thousands of newspapers

1109
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:04,400
articles reports journals periodicals

1110
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:06,560
gazettes and so on

1111
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:09,440
and in keeping with recent editions of

1112
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:11,440
the trove segment i thought i'd keep on

1113
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:12,720
the psychic

1114
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:15,440
line so to speak in fact that's what

1115
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:15,760
they

1116
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:19,520
you ring up a

1117
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:21,920
psychic line keep you on the line as

1118
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:23,599
long as possible but i thought we would

1119
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:25,920
look for the word psychic

1120
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:28,960
and the word police mentioned in the

1121
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:30,770
same article

1122
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:38,870
and our first port of gore we landed in

1123
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:42,640
the year 1950 on the 18th of march

1124
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:45,370
the mercury in hobart tasmania

1125
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:46,720
[Music]

1126
00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:50,560
page 33 psychic aid

1127
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:52,730
in police hunt for boys

1128
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:58,950
and the word psychic is in quotation

1129
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:00,800
marks

1130
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:04,400
new york friday pennsylvania police

1131
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:06,880
have asked a quote psychic and quote

1132
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:09,440
housewife to use her special powers

1133
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,920
to help them find two school boys who

1134
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:13,440
vanished from their homes without

1135
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:15,920
leaving a trace 13 days ago

1136
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:19,440
police said yesterday they hadn't a clue

1137
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:22,240
so decided to call in the help of mrs

1138
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:24,079
florence stonefels

1139
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:28,079
who has helped them several times before

1140
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:31,680
once she found a diamond brooch worth

1141
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:34,400
five hundred dollars she just sat down

1142
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:35,599
and thought about it

1143
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:38,720
a detective said a picture came to her

1144
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:39,920
of a chair

1145
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:42,400
in the attic of someone's house and

1146
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:43,119
there

1147
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:46,319
it was mrs stonefield says she has

1148
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:48,720
found hundreds of missing people and

1149
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:49,760
articles

1150
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:52,560
and takes no money for this work she

1151
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:53,040
says

1152
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:56,240
she is baffled by her power which has

1153
00:46:02,309 --> 00:45:58,079
mystified doctors

1154
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:02,319
and scientists i wonder what the story

1155
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:03,760
behind mrs

1156
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:07,440
sternfels was that's interesting over 70

1157
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:08,800
years ago

1158
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:10,800
and now we go further back in time to

1159
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:13,119
the 1st of june

1160
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:16,960
1933 and we are looking in the pages of

1161
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:18,720
the toowoomba chronicle and darling

1162
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:20,000
downs gazette

1163
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:23,839
from queensland psychic detection

1164
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:26,480
a prague bank clerk able to describe

1165
00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:28,800
crimes after he has touched objects

1166
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:30,480
associated with them

1167
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:33,920
has been described by dr oscar fisher

1168
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:36,560
of prague in an address before the

1169
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:38,880
australian society for psychical

1170
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:39,920
research

1171
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:42,960
the bank clerk whose name was rain man

1172
00:46:48,309 --> 00:46:46,000
when shown a poacher's shooting stick

1173
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:48,319
an ordinary sporting gun and a small

1174
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:49,440
silver box

1175
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:52,560
was able to describe with astounding

1176
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:53,760
accuracy

1177
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:56,640
the crime associated with the objects an

1178
00:47:02,069 --> 00:46:58,960
even more remarkable test was made

1179
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:02,079
for rain man was led into the police

1180
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:03,599
museum in prague

1181
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:06,480
and shown some objects whose history

1182
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:07,040
neither

1183
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:09,200
professor fisher nor the conducting

1184
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:10,160
police official

1185
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:14,079
knew the objects were a revolver

1186
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:16,880
a stake and a paving stone but the

1187
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:17,760
professor

1188
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:20,400
to make the test harder had inserted a

1189
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:21,280
duplicate

1190
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:24,720
revolver paving stone and stake

1191
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:28,240
without hesitation rayman pushed the

1192
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:31,280
fake objects aside and described in

1193
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:33,119
detail the crime connected with the

1194
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:34,640
genuine objects

1195
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:36,880
research in the police record showed

1196
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:38,480
that rainman's

1197
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:41,599
account of the crime had been correct in

1198
00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:49,349
i wonder i wonder indeed

1199
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:54,079
now we go back a few more years to 1929

1200
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:57,359
the 12th of april in the

1201
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:00,720
labour daily from sydney

1202
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:03,760
brother had psychic vision body in

1203
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:05,040
reservoir

1204
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:08,240
told police where to search the unusual

1205
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:10,079
story of a twin brother

1206
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:12,720
who told police by psychic means where

1207
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:13,760
his brother

1208
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:16,319
who was missing would be found was

1209
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:18,559
related to the parramatta district

1210
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:19,520
coroner

1211
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:22,720
mr h richardson clark yesterday

1212
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:24,800
the coroner held an inquiry into the

1213
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:25,760
death of

1214
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:28,960
thomas robert irwin 40

1215
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:31,440
an accountant who was found drowned in

1216
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:34,079
the potts hill water supply

1217
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:37,119
reservoir on march 24.

1218
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:40,319
the surviving brother henry james irwin

1219
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:42,400
said his brother and he had rarely been

1220
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:43,359
separated

1221
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:45,599
they had entered the lichem state

1222
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:46,400
hospital

1223
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:48,880
suffering from neuroesteemia last

1224
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:51,359
november and had remained there

1225
00:48:55,829 --> 00:48:53,839
now just incidentally i was unaware of

1226
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:55,839
this but pneusthenia is a term that was

1227
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:57,040
first used at least

1228
00:49:02,549 --> 00:49:00,559
as early as 1829 to label a mechanical

1229
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:02,559
weakness of the nerves

1230
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:06,000
hmm okay we read on

1231
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:09,359
his brother was suffering from a kind of

1232
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:13,760
hallucination of the word suicide

1233
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:16,720
he seemed to have that word embedded in

1234
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:17,920
his mind

1235
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:21,119
on the evening of march 23 witnesses

1236
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:23,359
suggested to the deceased

1237
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:26,640
that they should attend a concert

1238
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:29,280
in the institution but his brother would

1239
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:30,000
not accompany

1240
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:32,800
him and he went alone fearing something

1241
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:33,520
was wrong

1242
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:36,000
he hurried away from the concert and

1243
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:37,520
found his brother missing

1244
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:40,400
from the ward he gave the alarm and

1245
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:41,280
later told

1246
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:44,000
the police that although he did not know

1247
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:45,680
where his brother had gone

1248
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:47,440
he felt that he would be found in the

1249
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:49,520
reservoir i had a feeling

1250
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:52,640
that he would be there he said dr

1251
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:55,280
brooks said that deceased was not quite

1252
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:56,400
normal

1253
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:58,559
the coroner returned a verdict of

1254
00:50:03,270 --> 00:49:59,680
suicide

1255
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:03,280
while of unsound mind

1256
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:05,599
and that's a bit of a sad story from way

1257
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:08,079
back in 1929

1258
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:10,640
and now he's a slight variation on our

1259
00:50:13,630 --> 00:50:11,440
theme

1260
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:13,640
and we go forward in time to the year

1261
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:15,599
1981

1262
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:19,200
uh the 8th of april in the victor harbor

1263
00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:22,960
times from south australia psychic tells

1264
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:24,000
of victor's

1265
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:27,119
future she predicted the shooting of u.s

1266
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:28,720
president ronald reagan

1267
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:31,280
and also quote visited and quote the

1268
00:50:37,349 --> 00:50:33,599
house of the yorkshire ripper

1269
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:37,359
she is mrs june cox well-known

1270
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:40,079
adelaide psychic clairvoyant who was in

1271
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:42,160
victor harbour on thursday to give a

1272
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:44,000
talk in the town hall

1273
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:47,119
while here mrs cox made a few other

1274
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:49,200
predictions this time for victor

1275
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:51,040
harbor's near future

1276
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:54,079
she foresees two deaths a fire a birth

1277
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:54,400
of

1278
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:56,880
triplets and a lucky find with a metal

1279
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:58,079
detector

1280
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:59,920
occurring in the area within the next

1281
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:01,119
few months

1282
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:04,319
these are her predictions and

1283
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:06,079
just as an aside this is interesting

1284
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:08,480
because as you know

1285
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:11,280
uh you may know i and a team have been

1286
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:12,720
working on the great australian psychic

1287
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:15,599
prediction project for some time

1288
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:17,520
and it's interesting to see predictions

1289
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:20,400
made way back in 1981.

1290
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:23,520
here are her predictions

1291
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:25,680
a well-known victor harbour personality

1292
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:26,720
will be found dead

1293
00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:30,480
in his bed from natural causes oh dear

1294
00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:32,720
a large tree will fall and cause

1295
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:34,640
considerable damage

1296
00:51:38,309 --> 00:51:36,559
cattle will get loose and roam the

1297
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:38,319
streets

1298
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:40,400
one well-known woman in town will have

1299
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:43,280
triplets and all will be well

1300
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:45,359
an entertainment committee or similar

1301
00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:46,800
group will soon have

1302
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:49,839
a new chairman the sea will sweep a

1303
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:50,480
fisherman

1304
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:53,760
off the rocks and he will be drowned

1305
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:55,920
a new project for buildings and shops

1306
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:57,200
will be initiated

1307
00:52:01,349 --> 00:51:59,760
and will bring advantages to the town a

1308
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:01,359
victor harbor hotel

1309
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:04,240
will have a small fire causing only a

1310
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:05,040
little damage

1311
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:08,720
and somebody will be slightly hurt

1312
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:11,520
a young man will take a metal detector

1313
00:52:17,829 --> 00:52:14,559
to the bottom of the garden near the sea

1314
00:52:20,549 --> 00:52:17,839
and find something to his advantage mrs

1315
00:52:23,190 --> 00:52:20,559
cox said these predictions came to her

1316
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:23,200
when she knew she was coming to victor

1317
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:24,160
harbour

1318
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:26,720
she said they could not be stopped from

1319
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:27,599
happening

1320
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:30,880
mrs cox's talk in the town drew an

1321
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:32,640
audience of about

1322
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:35,520
40 people some of whom also claimed to

1323
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:37,440
have psychic powers

1324
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:40,000
two of her predictions had also been

1325
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:42,640
foreseen by other local psychics

1326
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:45,599
the small hotel fire which she said was

1327
00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:46,000
not

1328
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:49,839
the recent hotel groves in a fire

1329
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:51,680
and the young man finding something

1330
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:53,760
important with a metal detector

1331
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:57,040
mrs cox who has helped the police

1332
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:59,520
on number of cases said her psychic

1333
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:00,880
power was a

1334
00:53:04,870 --> 00:53:04,400
universal or god gift which would be

1335
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:04,880
taken

1336
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:08,880
away if misused much of her work was

1337
00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:11,040
done with people who had problems

1338
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:14,079
and who approached her for guidance

1339
00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:15,520
while in victor harbour she held

1340
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:17,680
consultations throughout friday

1341
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:21,200
and saturday mrs cox expects to return

1342
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:23,680
to the town within the next few months

1343
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:27,680
for a similar program and i just go

1344
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:30,960
back to this line here where

1345
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:34,079
she says or it's reported in the report

1346
00:53:40,829 --> 00:53:37,119
quoting the report mrs cox

1347
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:40,839
who has helped the police on a number of

1348
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:42,079
cases

1349
00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:45,760
well whether she did or didn't is

1350
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:48,319
who knows she all all these people have

1351
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:48,880
to say

1352
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:50,800
is i have helped the police blah blah

1353
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:53,119
blah and what appears in the newspaper

1354
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:54,800
is what i've just read

1355
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:56,800
as if it was a statement of fact okay we

1356
00:54:02,870 --> 00:53:59,760
go now to the year 1937

1357
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:02,880
the daily mercury from queensland

1358
00:54:10,230 --> 00:54:06,640
on the 30th of october a saturday

1359
00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:10,240
psychic detectives quote could

1360
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:13,280
solve almost any crime end quote

1361
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:15,920
psychic detectives could solve almost

1362
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:16,880
any crime

1363
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:20,480
said mr ernest w otton of manchester

1364
00:54:24,069 --> 00:54:22,160
speaking to the world congress of

1365
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:24,079
spiritualists at glasgow

1366
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:26,319
recently he suggested that the police

1367
00:54:31,109 --> 00:54:28,240
should establish a training center

1368
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:31,119
at which people with sensitive minds

1369
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:31,520
could

1370
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:34,800
be coached into psychometry

1371
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:38,400
an art somewhere between mediumism

1372
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:42,000
and divining and just quickly

1373
00:54:45,910 --> 00:54:43,920
for those who may not know psychometry

1374
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:45,920
is where you

1375
00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:47,440
well the claim is you can handle an

1376
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:49,280
object used by somebody

1377
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:52,799
and get psychic vibrations

1378
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:56,640
information from that object we read on

1379
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:58,240
i have been approached by the police

1380
00:55:01,589 --> 00:55:00,559
officials who wanted the services of a

1381
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:01,599
psychologist

1382
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:04,720
he said i had to inform them that

1383
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:07,599
spiritualism did not ally itself with

1384
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:08,960
crime detection

1385
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:11,839
but i suggested that great success in

1386
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:12,960
tracing criminals

1387
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:15,200
would be achieved if people with psychic

1388
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:16,799
faculties could be given

1389
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:20,000
a three years course mr oaten said

1390
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:22,000
afterwards it is well known among

1391
00:55:25,349 --> 00:55:23,760
spiritualists that police forces

1392
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:25,359
occasionally ask for help

1393
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:28,000
of the mediums scotland yard detectives

1394
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:29,760
have frequently consulted with those

1395
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:31,280
with psychic power

1396
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:33,920
and to my knowledge some mediums earn

1397
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:34,559
almost

1398
00:55:42,870 --> 00:55:38,880
their livelihood by assisting the police

1399
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:42,880
well that's interesting and again

1400
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:45,920
almost reported as if it was a fact and

1401
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:46,400
now

1402
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:48,640
from the northern times in western

1403
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:50,880
australia in 1941

1404
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:53,760
on the 3rd of april police consult

1405
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:54,960
psychic

1406
00:56:01,109 --> 00:55:58,000
canada

1407
00:56:02,069 --> 00:56:01,119
is reverend e hudson who never had any

1408
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:02,079
schooling in his

1409
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:05,680
powers but quote suddenly became

1410
00:56:09,589 --> 00:56:08,720
aware of his ability to psychically read

1411
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:09,599
and write

1412
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:11,760
end quote hudson following in the wake

1413
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:13,920
of others with psychic gifts

1414
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established a church in the district

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where quote

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ignorance is bliss end quote and the

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police

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following antiquated laws were compelled

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to pay him

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surreptitious visits to quote trap

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and quote him however years of police

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00:56:35,109 --> 00:56:32,559
experience

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served to waken the montreal police to

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realities

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and they now often finish their official

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visits

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with unofficial sittings when they

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arrived

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00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:45,839
disguised he used to sense their

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masquerade

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and tell them who they were giving them

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their official numbers

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00:56:55,270 --> 00:56:53,839
there are now quite a number of montreal

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d's

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presumably that is detectives who look

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upon

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00:57:02,309 --> 00:57:01,280
an instruction to quote visit and quote

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hudson

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00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:05,119
as a night out for themselves by

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formally observing

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00:57:14,309 --> 00:57:10,480
the law what an unusual story

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00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:14,319
what an unusual story i wonder what the

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00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:17,520
the truth behind that one is and

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00:57:22,990 --> 00:57:20,160
finally from the sun in sydney australia

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dated the 8th of september

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1935

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stop fake mediums police plan campaign

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00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:33,040
psychic society supports a police

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00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:35,760
campaign to stamp out fake mediums

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00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:38,160
is being planned the police say that

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00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:40,559
these people occupying well-furnished

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00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:41,440
rooms

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00:57:45,030 --> 00:57:44,000
play on the gullibility of their clients

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profess to predict

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00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:47,680
future happenings and even give messages

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00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:48,480
purporting

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00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:51,520
to be from dead relatives and friends

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this the police claim is equivalent to

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obtaining money

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by false pretenses let me pause here let

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me pause when was this

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00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:05,359
1935 i think it's about time the police

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put this into action what do you think

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they're planning it

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00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:12,799
in 1935 and as of 2021

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00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:15,040
there are still hundreds of people in

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00:58:20,789 --> 00:58:17,920
this city if not thousands around

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00:58:22,309 --> 00:58:20,799
the country who are still claiming to do

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00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:22,319
the same thing

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come on police it's about time you

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implemented your plan

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support police the campaign will it is

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00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:30,240
anticipated

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00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:31,680
have the active support of the

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australian society of psychical research

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at the meeting of the council on tuesday

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00:58:42,069 --> 00:58:38,079
night

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00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:42,079
reverend g e pognal of bondi

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00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:44,240
will move that the society cooperate

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with the police

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00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:48,000
in any action taken by them the police

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00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:49,920
are right in their efforts to suppress

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00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:50,960
dishonest

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00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:54,240
and incompetent mediums said mr pognal

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00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:55,040
yesterday

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00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:56,720
they will have the support of all

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00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:58,720
earnest psychic research workers

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00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:01,680
women gold it is lamentable how

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00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:03,520
weak-minded women are goaled by these

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00:59:07,030 --> 00:59:04,000
dishonest

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00:59:09,030 --> 00:59:07,040
mediums said a police official yesterday

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00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:09,040
it is very difficult for us to obtain

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00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:10,480
evidence against them

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00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:13,200
we warn people to keep away from fortune

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00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:13,920
tellers

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00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:16,000
and all those who profess to predict the

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00:59:19,829 --> 00:59:17,440
future

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00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:19,839
and another interesting point about that

1499
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:22,160
uh that article is the

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00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:24,640
apparent enthusiastic support and

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00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:26,799
cooperation by an official

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00:59:30,829 --> 00:59:29,520
psychic outfit and we've heard this over

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00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:30,839
the years

1504
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:34,240
where and and i remember the the late

1505
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:36,079
simon turnbull the

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00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:37,680
president of the australian psychics

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00:59:42,549 --> 00:59:39,280
association

1508
00:59:44,549 --> 00:59:42,559
would make a big issue about he wants to

1509
00:59:45,990 --> 00:59:44,559
stamp out the fakes in the industry and

1510
00:59:47,349 --> 00:59:46,000
there's lots of frauds and fakes and he

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00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:47,359
wants to stamp them out and only have

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00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:49,680
genuine psychics involved

1513
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:52,720
that is a it's a whole

1514
00:59:55,750 --> 00:59:54,559
down the rabbit hole right there that's

1515
00:59:57,510 --> 00:59:55,760
fascinating

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01:00:03,310 --> 00:59:57,520
and the saying that comes to mind is a

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01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:04,470
[Music]

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but once again an interesting look

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through history via the pages

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of australian publications searchable at

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trove

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01:00:20,710 --> 01:00:17,760
you to have a look

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01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:20,720
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01:01:13,990 --> 01:01:12,400
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coming up on next week's show more from

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01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:34,799
the trove archives i think

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01:01:38,309 --> 01:01:36,559
i think the other day i was researching

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01:01:39,750 --> 01:01:38,319
psychics and murder

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01:01:41,349 --> 01:01:39,760
i think that's the next one coming up

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01:01:43,109 --> 01:01:41,359
something like that

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01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:43,119
also i hope to bring you some more news

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01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:44,480
about the upcoming

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01:01:47,670 --> 01:01:46,640
australian skeptics and new zealand

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01:01:50,829 --> 01:01:47,680
skeptics

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01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:50,839
joint annual convention in november this

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01:01:53,990 --> 01:01:52,079
year

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01:01:56,470 --> 01:01:54,000
and as you can imagine for us here in

1562
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:56,480
sydney it's an interesting situation of

1563
01:02:00,870 --> 01:01:59,280
making sure all our bases are loaded is

1564
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:00,880
that the right term

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01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:03,839
all our bases are loaded no all our all

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01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:04,480
our

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01:02:08,710 --> 01:02:06,240
ducks are in a row something like that

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01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:08,720
in case the covert situation has not

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01:02:12,309 --> 01:02:10,000
resolved itself to

1570
01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:12,319
an extent where we can have a live

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01:02:16,069 --> 01:02:13,680
convention

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01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:16,079
and if that's the situation of course uh

1573
01:02:18,309 --> 01:02:17,760
from our part at least it'll be online

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01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:18,319
but

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01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:20,480
we're still trying to sort all that out

1576
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:22,240
and organize that but we'll keep you up

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01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:23,119
to date

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01:02:26,549 --> 01:02:25,440
but no matter where you are in the world

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01:02:30,390 --> 01:02:29,839
the delta variation is uh not being very

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01:02:33,190 --> 01:02:30,400
kind

1582
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:33,200
to anybody but until next week this is

1583
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:34,640
richard saunders

1584
01:02:41,990 --> 01:02:36,880
signing off from lockdown in sydney

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01:02:45,190 --> 01:02:43,750
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